The 2017 Mr. Pink Has a Carbon Fork Jan 13, 2017

The 2017 Mr. Pink Has a Carbon Fork

Ok, yeah, technically there is an “embargo” on this release for tomorrow, but you know what? I don’t care. Jeff is crashing at my house while he’s here in LA, and I hauled all my camera gear up to an overlook to photograph this bike at sunset, so I’m posting it a few hours before the embargo. That means a few things: there’s no link for this bike on the All-City site yet, so you can’t get every single spec and detail. Edit: well, they just pushed it live…

I can tell you the size 55cm weighs 20lbs on the nose (the 52cm pictured comes in under 20lbs), completely stock and the new Whisky carbon fork was developed specifically by All-City for this bike. The new fork has the same rake and tire clearance, yet weights 1.45lbs lighter than the steel fork. These frames are still made from Columbus Zona tubing.

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Currently, there will no longer be steel forks offered on the Mr. Pink. The Whisky fork is replacing them. A bit of intel however: All-City is making a limited run of pink Whisky forks for all the current owners of last year’s model to buy and as you can see, the new Mr. Pink is an homage to the classic Motorola Cycling Team. Yay, Merckx!

We love the Mr. Pink here at the Radavist. If you wish to read my review, check it out in the Related Entries in the left column. Also, Whisky will be offering this 1 1/8″ fork in their 2017 lineup. More on that later. For now, check out more photos below and see full specs at All-City.

The 2017 Mr. Pink Has a Carbon Fork

The 2017 Mr. Pink Has a Carbon Fork

The 2017 Mr. Pink Has a Carbon Fork

The 2017 Mr. Pink Has a Carbon Fork

The 2017 Mr. Pink Has a Carbon Fork

The 2017 Mr. Pink Has a Carbon Fork

The 2017 Mr. Pink Has a Carbon Fork

The 2017 Mr. Pink Has a Carbon Fork

  • breed007

    Hide Jeff’s keys until he agrees to make me a red Whisky fork.

    • Spray paint

      • Tim Guarente

        Naw, there are all those cool patterned duct tapes now. That’s the way.

  • Robert

    “A bit of intel however: All-City is making a limited run of pink Whisky forks for all the current owners of last year’s model…” YEAHHHHHHH NICE!!!!!!!
    Also damn, the paint on this one is gorgeous. Keep it up with these Merckx-inspired paint jobs!

  • Scott Haraldson

    I think hauling your gear out there for the photoshoot paid off. That bike looks hot.

    • I can stuff the off-camera flash battery and head in my frame bag on my 44 and carry the camera, light stand, diffusor and other light stuff in a backpack. It’s a crazy mobile setup, but is Heavy.As.Fuck.

      • SK

        Should have made Jeff carry it!

        • he got lost.

          • jtbadge

            Speaking of, was he riding a black and gold Macho King in your Instagram? Let’s see that one!

  • Mario

    Argh, thinking of a color to match my 2015 Mr Pink.

    • Poolboy 1.0

      The Blue one? We did a paint-match fork Enve through Waterford not too long ago for that bike. Twas beautiful.

      • Mario

        You don’t happen to have a pic of it do you? Did you paint the whole fork a matched blue?

  • DODGERDISCIPLE

    Nope. I appreciate the tribute, but sorry, that’s sacred ground. It’s ok not to like everything that is posted on here. I like the vast majority of the bikes on here, however. Big fan of All-City but this misses the mark IMHO.

    • kimbo305

      Sacred ground how so? Cuz Lance road that in the ’93 WC?

      • DODGERDISCIPLE

        It’s an iconic scheme by the most iconic cyclist ever. (Eddy Merckx, nothing to do with Armstrong) Again, I cannot answer for All City but think All City’s thought maybe was to pay tribute which is cool, but I’m just not on board. Not the end of the world.

        • What about the last Mr. Pink? That was a Telekom tribute.

          http://theradavist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Merckx_pink01.jpg

          • DODGERDISCIPLE

            It’s better but what’s next, a Celeste Mr. Pink? Nah.

          • nielubieto’em all

            Pantani celeste!

        • kimbo305

          > Eddy Merckx

          The liveries shown are from much later in the Eddy Merckx bike brand’s history, not from when Eddy was riding them.

          This is what Armstrong was riding after he won the WC: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EmNBkBPvdRg/T7PCfgOKOzI/AAAAAAAACLk/mXI1oTLHU6U/s1600/tumblr_m2s3kl9bXV1r4o0yso1_1280.jpg
          Though I think what he rode in the WC was a similarly-liveried, Litespeed-built Caloi.

          • DODGERDISCIPLE

            I just think a tribute is nice but leave Eddy’s bikes alone. IMHO.

          • kimbo305

            Eddy is the greatest cyclist who ever lived, but his business pursuits (including his bike brand) aren’t a sacred cow, IMO.
            This is the man who is taking the oil state money to run tours that few in the peloton want to ride, and taking risks with rider safety at those events.

          • DODGERDISCIPLE

            Really???? No kidding? Yes…I’m being sarcastic. I know that. I have a bike company, I’m going ALL original. No tributes that’s all I’m saying. Sacha White at Vanilla/Speedvagen I think is the very best at originality. We’ll just leave it at that I don’t care for the livery on the Mr. Pink. Plain and simple.

          • kimbo305

            > I’m being sarcastic

            about this bit?:

            > nothing to do with Armstrong

          • DODGERDISCIPLE

            Lol.

    • Loppestre

      Agreed. I was stoked based on the teaser, but the tribute paint just looks cheesy to me.

      • DODGERDISCIPLE

        Yep.

  • Eric Hancock

    All City is killing it.

    The tape on the caliper makes me crazy.

  • singlespeedscott

    Why a carbon fork?

    Was on my list but now it’s struck off. A steel frame with a carbon fork defeats the point of going steel.

    • Tom Braun

      What if they made the frame carbon next year as well?! There wouldn’t be any points left to defeat, and the bike would be super light and stiff…

      • Poolboy 1.0

        I’ve often thought of becoming a golf club.

    • Jason Van Den Eng

      False. Have you ever ridden steel with full carbon fork? It’s so good. Also this bike clears 32c tires, the ride will be plenty smooth.

    • Richard

      Ditto Jason VDE. I’ve got a Ritchey Logic steel frame/carbon fork and it is Smooth As Buttah.

    • breed007

      There are plenty of people with steel Mr. Pink forks sitting in their basements that would be happy to sell them to you.

    • I wouldn’t agree. My steel bikes have carbon forks and on a road bike, I prefer the feel of carbon. Also, their steel forks weighed like 4lbs. Heavy steel doesn’t offer the same ride you’d find on a SLX Motorola Merckx or the MXL Merckx bikes this frame was modeled after. All-City can’t make a lightweight steel fork because it has to pass testing. They have to over-engineer them and the result is a heavy steel fork that in my opinion takes away from the lively feel of the frame.

      My Speedvagen and Crema are both steel bikes with carbon forks and they ride like a dream.

      • A fork that weighs 4 lbs? Is that typical of modern steel forks? That cant be right. What kind of testing do these forks have to pass? I own two 70s era, 58cm R531 double butted frames and they both weigh about six pounds together, frame and fork, and they’re lugged not welded with traditional flat fork crowns, not intergrated sloping crowns. A modern steel fork weighing nearly the same as an entire steel frame? You’re either really mistaken or exaggerating, I think. Is there any info you can link to?

        • breed007

          I’m a loser so I went downstairs, pulled the fork off the shelf and weighed it. 2 lbs, 3 oz with 8.5 inches of steerer.

          But I agree with John, generally. There’s a reason my steel MP fork was sitting on a shelf.

          • Ha, thanks for taking the time to do that mate.

          • kimbo305

            The A-C fork probably is made from humbler steel that needs to be much thicker to pass modern crash standards.

            A quick back of the envelope shows that it’d have to be ~1mm thicker in the blades, crown, and steerer to gain the 7oz. Which seems plausible.

          • They’ve gotten heavier because most aren’t using nice, lightweight tubes because they have to pass safety testing. To be fair, my Igleheart fork on my Indy Fab weighs a pound and a half. It’s super light. But it also flexes a lot on washboard road and wouldn’t pass the same testing as an All-City fork. Also, the fork on my Icarus was Columbus MAX with a stainless crown and it weighed around the same.

        • In the 1970’s the consumer testing wasn’t nearly as thorough. I have a 80’s Merckx with an ultralight steel fork. No one would sue you when they broke back in those days. The Mr. Pink fork weighs around 1050grams. So yes, 4lbs was an exaggeration, but that fork is much heavier than vintage steel forks.

          • With all due respect john, while I’m not at all trying to attack you, 2.3 lbs is nearly half the weight of 4lbs. That’s nearly an entire forks difference in weight. This isn’t inconsequential. I understand modern safety standards are very different in 2017 compared to the 70s, and so a modern steel fork will be different from an older one, but we shouldn’t be misleading in any way if we are discussing differences in steel vs carbon forks. My ’77 R531 fork weighs 1lb 12oz, the actual weight of an AC steel fork seems to roughly be 2lbs 3oz. That means the AC fork is much closer to the weight of a classic lightweight road fork AND a modern carbon fork than it is with the weight in your original comment. If it was an exaggeration, purposeful or not, it’s all good, no real harm done, I just want to add some clarity to the numbers.

          • It’s my fault for engaging in a numbers game when I don’t really care about the weight of steel bikes.

          • In all honesty, I don’t actually either. if I did, I wouldn’t ride it. And for what it’s worth, I think the new mr pink With its carbon fork is awesome.

      • singlespeedscott

        I’ve yet to ride a modern carbon fork that felt as nice as my old Reynolds 531, Columbus SLX and Tange Chsmpion forks on rough and dirt roads. My steel forks all weigh in around 700g and it’s hard to believe that I nice riding steel fork could not be built under 900g and still pass the safety test and ride nice. When you ride steel your concern is about the feel of the frame and fork and not about the weight. Frame weight really should be avconcern for top level racers IMO

    • I rode steel bikes for about 8 years with stock steel forks. I still mountain bike and bikepack on a rigid steel MTB with a steel fork. But, just recently, I upgraded my daily driver to an All-City Nature Boy, with nice Reynolds steel and a Carbon Whisky fork.

      Here’s what I notice:

      -The Whisky fork is very light. Lightening up the front end reduces the effort it takes me to pop the bike up and over a curb or a wet root. Having less weight in the front is noticeable and makes a difference in how fun the bike is, on and off road.

      -The carbon fork, paired with some carbon bars, really kills vibration. My hands hurt significantly less on long rides. I’m enjoying myself more because the front end is so well dampened. You can get this from a perfectly tuned steel fork, I’m sure, but on the bikes I’ve ridden, the carbon works better than what modern manufacturers are producing for steel forks. I also think that a steel fork that allows enough flex to kill vibration sacrifices stiffness, which Carbon does not.

      -The stiffness in the axle is noticeable on washboard and gravel. There’s no flex, even though I’m using a QR hub.

      -I was concerned about durability, but my local shop never sees modern carbon forks come in broken. The origins of carbon forks back in the 90’s saw significant durability concerns, but the newer stuff is so well produced and so overbuilt that you can basically knock it around like any other fork for 10+ years and not have any issues. At least, that’s what I’m hearing locally.

      -It looks cool.

      Just my 2¢. To back John up a little bit, the steel All-City forks might be 2.3lbs but they kind of feel like 4lbs. All the local All-City riders have swapped their steel forks out for carbon. That All-City fork definitely won’t break, though.

  • Christoph

    Did they dropped the fender-eyelet on the new fork?

    • Poolboy 1.0

      Nope. Just hid it.

  • Ryan M.

    Love.

  • Jason Van Den Eng

    Jeff your geo chart has errors. Wheelbase and standover are transposed for the 61cm.
    PS- that bicycle makes me randy, nicely done!

  • jtbadge

    Zipp cockpit is a nice upgrade. Curious about the wheels – All-City road hubs?

    The complete is now probably one of the best builds they have outside of the Macho King Limiteds.

    • Mario

      What’s good about the zipp cockpit over the previous build? Not being snarky, I literally don’t know the answer to this question :)

      • jtbadge

        I like:
        A. Zipp parts look and feel nicer in the hand and on the bike than Salsa, and especially, FSA
        B. Matching seatpost/stem/bars makes me happy

        Mostly comes down to preference, obviously.

    • Ultra_Orange

      Its still heavier than a 30 year Merckx. Dude its shocking my 60cm weights less than the 52.

      • jtbadge

        You’re talking about yours with Force 22 and lighter wheels, though. Not really a fair comparison.

        • Ultra_Orange

          The difference between rival and force is like a pound. But the Pink had a carbon steerer that I don’t have and that weight savings is a pound. And I’m rocking I’ve got 2014 Krysiriums(Mavic whatever they are called) that don’t weight a whole lot. But the more I look at wheel sets most seem to be around the 1.5kg mark give or that 100g.

          It’s just so much more money for something that weights more and is just trying to look like something else.

  • Alta

    Any pricing on the stand alone fork?

    • Robert

      MSRP at about $400

  • So. Damn. Good. Note to self: chevron fade paint for next frame.
    Also, because I’m nosy and we know fork weight… frame weight for any size(s)?

  • Erik_A
  • Erik_A

    No fender mounts this year? http://allcitycycles.com/bikes/mr_pink

    • Erik_A

      … just read in the copy:

      “It has clearance for 32c tires (28’s w/fenders) for mixed-terrain riding, hidden fender mounts for foul-weather days”

    • Erik_A
      • Cooper Mittelhauser

        Wonder if the dropouts are alloy molded into the carbon or mostly carbon. The paranoiac in me wonders what could happen if a fender without safety release tabs got jammed (not like damage to fork ends would be the rider’s primary concern in that scenario).

  • Poolboy 1.0
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    • breed007

      mmm… I think I’m just going to stay tonight and look at that picture.

  • Alta

    A red King headset would help balance to color out I think. The red rear triangle is hanging out a little in the back to me. That being said, I’ll still probably buy one…

  • This sick bike just got sooooo much sicker.

  • Nick

    Really beautiful, compelling bike. I’ll never buy another rim brake bike frame myself, but that has more to do with what and how I ride more than anything else. Super classy, nice work All City.

    • Nick

      And I should of course mention, wonderful job on the photography!

  • Ultra_Orange

    So this is the second time they have aped a Merckx paint scheme, last year was the Cresent Team and this year Motorola. I’m guessing we will see a Molteni next year.

    The weight isn’t a compelling argument when compared to what frames weighted 30 years ago, hell 10 years ago.

    • kimbo305

      It’s true that there’s been lightweight steel frames in the past, but in terms of offering you 1.4lbs off the front end here and now, on a frame from a mid-size brand, it’s not bad.

  • Erik_A

    it will also fit 650b wheels with up to a 47mm tire like the WTB Horizon.Whisky Parts Co. points out that the Tektro R559 brake works very well since it has the reach, and it has the width to clear the tire.

    https://www.bikerumor.com/2017/01/17/whisky-no-7-rd-fork-provides-option-straight-steerer-rim-brake-650b-road-plus/

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9908ef54026c386d3579d5138e929dd08d2525ac90aecd81c06349f921e9ea6b.jpg

    • nielubieto’em all

      Wonder how this works with the frame in question (in the rear)…

      • Erik_A

        my guess is that if it fits 700×32 than it will fit 650b x 47

        • nielubieto’em all

          I’d do it, even if it does not make any sense.

  • PGH_small_adventures

    Between this bike, Kyle’s stinner, and the team dream cielo, I’m realizing what a sucker I am for red white and blue paint jobs. They just look so good on a bike.

  • Mario

    It looks like Whisky already have the fork on their website. Quite an investment for an existing Mr Pink, though (fork + paint work).

  • Ben Bell

    After 2 years off I’ve just had back surgery and I’m about to get back on the bike.
    I’ve got a 5.9kg 2013 Supersix Evo Hi-Mod SRAM Red, its new and unridden but I know with current physical situation that I’m probably going to need a few spacers under the stem.
    I’m 41 and I rode steel as a fast country lane commuter, recreational rider through the 90’s, the last 15 years I’ve spent on light weight top end bikes, I’m a bit of a weight weenie.
    I’m finding myself really drawn to All-City bikes, as a HUGE pro wrestling fan in my youth they’ve struck a cord with me, just wish this was called “The Ultimate Warrior”.
    This frame with the carbon fork (sorry all steel purists) looks fantastic, exactly what I want.
    Looking at the stack and reach at 6ft I guess I could ride a 55 or 58, a slammed 58 would look fantastic.

    My worry is that I’d pull the trigger on this frame, swap my parts over, sell my Cannondale frame and be disappointed. I work in a bike shop in the UK and we produce our own wheels, I have a great selection to choose from and my groupset and finishing kit are as light as it gets but I’m not wealthy (working in a bike shop will do that) so when it’s done it’s done.
    I can get my hands on any carbon bike to try but to get a neo retro steel and carbon mix bike to try is impossible! Let alone one of these.
    Being in the trade I could get a frame at cost price from the distributor here in the UK but to me it’s still a lot of money and a big move.

    Like above and as I’m a weight weenie I’d love to know the weight of the Mr Pink carbon fork and the frame so I can see what my build would come out at. Would I genuinely lose much performance?
    So many questions.