Warmin Up Feb 8, 2009


Yesterday it was in the 40’s here. It seems like everyone who had a bike was outside riding around. So many people. Jeremiah, Chris, Wilis and I went riding around the neighborhood. We ended up at the bottom of the Williamsburg bridge messing around for a bit. Here are some shots and a post-180 video of my toasted wheel.

Today it’s even warmer out, so we’re heading out again!

thanks to Wilis for the shots.

  • iansmash

    uh oh…prolly got a little too rad on that 180

  • the warm weather is making the hair on the back of my neck stand up (and my legs sore)sooo excited.. can’t wait to ride in nyc.

  • haha that will totally true out.

    It was 40 here in Tampa a few days ago and I got out coat out.

  • ez

    So does this mean that the Sun 29er rim isn’t working out? Would a Velocity have fared better or is it just out of true?

  • the Sun 0* XC seems to be holding up well on the rear. The front wheel has been through a hell of a life. It was originally laced with linseed oil, which then caused the wheel to loosen up. It was rebuilt with spoke prep and ever since It’s just gotten slammed around.

    The deep v is only a day old, the problem with deep vs is #1 their weight and #2 not wide enough for wider tires. We’re still tinkering with wheels that hold up better for what we’re doing.

  • iansmash

    Ultimately the wheel that will hold up to this kind of abuse is going to be heavy…just like anything else that’s FGFS specific coming out these days

    Probably like the sun 29er rim but thicker will be something that will work out

  • Width is crucial. Depth, not as much. Thickness as well. A deep v holds up ok, but can’t take wider tires and breaks at the seam.

    We’re going to try out some Alex rims.

  • ez

    I’ve used Sun Single Track rims on my mountain bikes (downhill and freeride) for years… never had any problems.

    Something like that, but for ISO 622 and slightly narrower (so you could run as small as a 25) would be ideal.

    Another problem with Deep-Vs that I’ve found is that the deep lips on the rim combined with the narrowness also make pinch flats more likely with wider tires.

    Good wheels are more important to ride than many other things on a bike.

  • At this point, with the way this sport is progressing, anything smaller than a 32c is ridiculous. I’ll be riding 35c Randos at least. My front wheel always takes a bigger beating than the rear. Mostly from full-cabs and 5cabs. If you land even the slightest off-center and with your wheel anywhere but perpendicular to the ground, you’re going to knock it out of true.

    Without re-truing every week, your wheel is going to die.

    With mountain biking and DH, you’re usually landing big jumps by feathering the landings and most of the time, you’re landing pretty perpendicular. 180s off ledges, stairs and gaps, at least in the learning phase, kill your front wheel.

  • ez

    Yeah, I can see the merit in that.

    The problem I have is that my Volume Cutter was not designed for anything wider than a 28, much to my chagrin. I love the frame other than that.

    There are some pretty rough landings in DH, but you are right in that you are usually landing straight on… though there are newer riders who are changing that. I have seen some giant 360s + off of huge drops.

    Rock gardens also add some pretty decent lateral stress, I wouldn’t totally dismiss the comparison.

    I did, bend a rear triangle on a free ride bike a few years ago, after bailing off a ledge to concrete…

  • smokebrainz

    With mountain biking and DH, you’re usually landing big jumps by feathering the landings and most of the time, you’re landing pretty perpendicular. 180s off ledges, stairs and gaps, at least in the learning phase, kill your front wheel.

    Are you kidding me? Unless you’re riding something like Tsali that’s groomed and buttery as hell, trails present far less even ground and perpendicular landing than you suggest (rock yards, gullys & ruts, berms & banks [yes, off jumps & drops]) Anything analogous to the type of riding you’re doing or in the MTB-world as far as big drops and jumps, is probably ridden on smaller stronger wheels. The 29er thing is pure xc. Suspension and smaller wheels have negotiated tough riding, and (this is huge..) provided reliability and economy of not breaking wheels all the time. I ain’t here to start that argument again, tho. But, if your new frame is 5-6+lbs, why take issue with beefier, heavier wheels? Especially if its just a huckmobile..

  • I agree 100% with you. The I made comment about MTB riding wasn’t very clear. Apologies.

    I’m not worried about the weight so much. Deep Vs aren’t wide enough. Any suggestions for a wider and stronger 700c / 29r rime are welcome!

  • TOM

    Get bigger tires pussy. The charge rims have a wider profile than the deep v’s and not as deep dish. There holding up great for 32h so far and larger tires actually stay on the rim.

  • smokebrainz

    No disrespect meant to ya’lls’ ridin. Into it.

    What spoke count are you riding? The larger tires & 29er rims seems on point. Upping spoke count seems to be what happened to bmx bikes going from basically lightweight race-worthy machines to the beefy street and dirt specific bikes that developed in the 90’s.

    Look at touring & other bikes with an ungodly amount of weight on 700c’s. Large spoke-count box section rims are common before going down to 26″ wheels.

    You’d have to ask someone who specializes in mtb stuff (eg. speedgoat), but the Sun Rhynolite 29er is available with up to a 40 spoke count. I’d think 36 would be a minimum count for hucking 700c’s around, unless you like spending $$$ or truing wheels all the time.

    There’s always the Kris Holm 29er rim. Not sure if fixed trick riding is ready for crossovers with those unicycle weirdos. They are supposedly bomb-proof.

    A pig of a bike is good for swingin around in the air. FM had it right about them fat bottom girls too..