More On those FBM Ride Endpoint Hunter / Gatherer Frames Jul 24, 2017

“I love all kinds of bikes and different types of riding, but I am never quite sure where any of them will take me. Our latest adventure on wheels at FBM, a bad ass touring frame and fork call the Hunter / Gatherer, was designed in collaboration with our friends at Ride Endpoint and will be built in the FBM Machine Shop. Creating the Hunter / Gatherer was a combined effort of some great people, stoked on bikes, looking to have some fun! We hope you will join us…” — Steve Crandall

I think that’s something we can all get behind. Check out the latest on the Hunter / Gatherer frames at FBM’s blog and yes, you can still pre-order one of these killer bikes at FBM.

  • Brian Richard Walbergh

    These frames are so on point and at a great price considering. I do sort for wish it had a 44mm head-tube, just to make it easier to throw a good carbon fork on it. It does feel good to have options for MUSA stock frames like this, the Elephant NFE, the Crust Dreamer. Keep them coming!

    • Doug M.

      No carbon forks are available (yet) that have enough offset to keep it low-trail.

      • Brian Richard Walbergh

        There are very few carbon forks with mounts to run a rack set up that would warrant low trail geometry anyway (The Niner RDO, maybe, but you would need a rack with longer struts than most to reach the upper mount). I was thinking more of having the steel low trail fork for loading and a tapered carbon fork ( Whiskey, ENVE, Niner…) for unloaded or less loaded riding. Maybe that would be too much switching back and forth for most people, but it would certainly make it more versatile.

  • Evan Baird

    I have to wonder what Surly is doing right now. They’re missing a big new catagory between the Straggler and the ECR. Are they really still butthurt over the Bleriot?

    • Bruce Smithhammer

      I doubt they’re still butthurt over the Bleriot. I think it has more to do with recent offerings from its sister brand, and not wanting to step on those toes (Fargo, Deadwood Gen 1, etc). But I agree – something between the Straggler and the ECR could be a really sweet rig.

    • Smithhammer

      I doubt they’re still butthurt over the Bleriot. I think it has more to do with recent offerings from its sister brand, and not wanting to step on those toes (Fargo, Deadwood Gen 1, etc). But I agree – something between the Straggler and the ECR could be a really sweet rig. You could kinda get there with a modified Troll, but I’d rather see a purpose-built approach.

    • DaymanDaryl

      And Surly should step up with a rando bike. I even have the perfect name for them to use: French Bitch.

  • Ray Penrod

    This bike was announced about a week after I had just had $500 worth of modifications done to a Koga-Miyata frame that I had stashed. I’d love to see this one next to my 650b Sword double speed.

  • Matt M

    I love this. Kind of like a Wolverine with thru-axles and a bit more tire clearance. And a third bottle cage.

    • Evan Baird

      And you can ride it offroad without the rear triangle falling off!

      • DaymanDaryl

        What is happening to these Wolverines? The rear DO’s keep breaking?

        • geoff.tewierik

          Yep, it’s drive side related. Either the cast dropout goes or the chainstay just in front of the weld goes.

          This was mine, since replaced under warranty.
          https://www.instagram.com/p/BSzIC_-DFBc/

          Dropout
          https://www.instagram.com/p/BQv5sLngghP/

          Chainstay
          https://www.instagram.com/p/BQqtFFIAdxj/

          • SOMA should know better than to knock off Paragon Sliders overseas. Karmatic debt.

          • geoff.tewierik

            They beat the split dropouts they originally came out with, but this current design has had material removed from it in certain places that makes for a flawed product (too thin, not enough structure) before it’s even cast. And then casting itself has it’s own issues in comparison to machined.

          • Chris Lowe

            Yeah but it makes the ride more compliant so…. ;)

          • DaymanDaryl

            #suppledropouts

          • DaymanDaryl

            Geoff, that’s some scary stuff!!!

          • geoff.tewierik

            Yeah not much fun, mine gave way while on my commute, within 150m from home, on a downhill…

            Those pics are only a small sample of what’s out there.

          • DaymanDaryl

            Do you ride the replacement? Doesn’t it just seem like a matter of time before the replacement needs a replacement?

          • geoff.tewierik

            I do and yes I am expecting it to fail again. In the meantime I get to save cash up for the next bike which won’t be a Wolverine.

          • Brian Richard Walbergh

            I have a feeling this defect will effect people who slam the dropouts all the way back more than people who have them forward. Pretty sure I have seen it happen to non-drive sides too. Mine is slammed most of the way forward for 27.5×2.0″ tires but I ride it hard and loaded a lot. Not looking forward to the day it finally goes. It will probably be out of warranty by then, nor is it probably even under warranty now because I had Braze-ons added… Wish the Endpoint was available when I was looking.

    • Brian Richard Walbergh

      And appropriately sized head tubes for each size! And low trail geometry! And Made In the USA! And with a more durable finish!

      Though I don’t know about the tire clearance, the photo of one with 27.5 x 2.25s I saw in looked real tight in the chainstays to me. Hard to judge in a photo though.

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  • Zac

    Anybody out there have any experience with their coffee grinder frame? Seems like the Hunter / Gatherer is overshadowing it a bit, but I loved that mock-up they did with a Coffee Grinder frame + H / G fork prototype. Seems like an A+ rando bike.

    • Stephen Parshall

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9697492884c1a5de9d1e5824d5044fbc0f2b04658405920bb3d79f71f3b2821b.jpg I’ve got about 5,000mi on my Coffee Grinder Bike. One of the best frames I’ve ever had. Low BB and short chainstays = a lot of fun. Braden was great to work with and was very responsive. I had mine custom powder coated and am very pleased. Surprised I haven’t seen more about it.

    • Grant Fanning

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/da3e0f152baed1b45b77ec565d69d6bb27e806fdc1c308e1b534d9ee47e01dd5.png

      Had my Coffee Grinder for years and it’s adapted to many builds. most recently threw some 650b Am Classics and Horizon 47s on there and its glorious. One of my favorite bikes and really appropriately priced.

    • Zac

      Sweet builds. That’s another thing about frames like the Coffee Grinder. You see people doing aaaaaaaall sorts of shit with them. There’s just something cool about a fast bike that you can put bags on.

    • Braxton Tindantle

      Braden and I rode 26hours straight to complete the GAPCO in one attempt, and it performed admirably with 47c horizons/650b. The conditions were awful, too, and we’ll be attempting sub 24 on CGs again.

      I also have some steepish uphill KOMs on mine with HED Ardennes in 700c and tubeless road slicks.

      It is an extremely capable do everything road bike.

  • Eric Hancock

    This frame is awesome. Loving it in clear powder coat.

    • Braxton Tindantle

      Love mine in clear, too. The media blasting job is super rad.

  • DaymanDaryl

    Neat-o. Any word on the tubing?

  • Braden’s bikes are incredible. Absolutely the best gravel-eating front-loading bike frame on the market. I love Endpoint and the fact that they’re made in the USA makes them all the better.

    If you have the budget, this is the bike. Period.

    • DaymanDaryl

      MAGA, amiright?

  • John, when’s the Endpoint feature post coming?

  • Frank Stec

    Boom!
    I haven’t given this thing its proper rundown in the state forest yet, but soon. Also need to get the rear light hooked up, which will happen when the Ocean Air Docena arrives.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9048a4c5fe1ecb6f3a449a6a30a8d63f8820cd60e029ec5c2ef5991999dca331.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b695b8da759628f9ac3b50e8ea52c757aa2ab0dd5abf99a83fa0967d8a65279.jpg

    Also love my coffeegrinder. May be getting it repainted this year because of some early chips that annoy me on the toptube from commuting and stuff.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0b8d3b4192d8750d2ccf8e3139ee758ec5b395e514c7fecafac5687952621ea8.jpg

    • Looking good Frank!

    • Chris Lowe

      So kicking myself for not ordering the purple though I’m sure the brown will also look awesome.

    • dotMR

      Frank, any more recent updates / feedback on the frame? I’m thinking about ordering one but difficult to find any reviews on the HGs.

      • Frank Stec

        So far, it has been amazing. From a few mile trek to the farmers market (filling up the Docena bag and not feeling it on the way back) to 60 mile gravel rides with some harrowing descents better suited for a mtb, the H/G has been great. I haven’t ridden it too much on pavement, though when I do I feel a little slower. Not that I care that much as you are probably just smiling being on it, but I think the smaller wheels just feel different when it is smooth. Once you hit gravel, you are just floating and crushing whatever comes your way. Even compared to above pink coffee grinder with 40s, this is another level of smooth.

        Also the fork/rack life is pretty grand. I am amazed at how stable and neutral it feels, even with 15-20 lbs of stuff inside. I need to mock up a decauler for the bag, though, as it does move around a bit with just the velcro bottom holding it down. It won’t eject or anything, but I would feel more confident if it were steadied at the bar/rear of the bag.

        • dotMR

          Thanks for the feedback Frank! Your build looks great. Is that a large frame?

          Out of curiousity how do you compare your Coffee Grinder and Hunter Gatherer? Frame geometry looks similar aside from the lower trail of the HG fork.

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